a crusader, and marco rubio is a persuader. i tend to break politicians down into those two categories. and i think that when you're a republican on the national stage, the presidential election now, where you've lost five of the last six presidential elections in the popular vote, you need to have somebody who is a persuader. i think that temperamentally -- reagan was a conservative and goldwater was a conservative. but they had a very, very different approach in terms of politics. goldwater had serrated edges, scared people. reagan did not. he had the ability to bring people on board. and there was a grace to him. and an ease that he had. >> so i'm hearing from peter that it's really not the issues, that it's temperament. do you agree with that? i saw you shaking your head when pat was speaking? >> yeah, i think that temperament is important. but i also think that because of that, people aren't looking -- i do not think you're going to get some extreme conservative. i don't see that --