and it was about two months before the election itself and colin was had started sitting on the bench in protest of police brutality. social injustice, raeshl inequality. it caused an uproar. i ended up writing an open letter explaining my experiences, my relationship to the flag, anthem, what it meant to me because of my service to country. time as a greer greene bn beret. i wanted to try to understand where he was coming from and try to find solutions to this problem. he reached out to me and we ended up meeting before their final preseason game in 2016. through our company i suggested it and he was inspired, he was inspired to kneel instead of sit to pay respects to the military and let people know that that's not what the protest was about. it wasn't even about the flag or the anthem. >> what do you think, is it because of the sitting, the kneeling, that he is not today in uniform? >> i think probably, yeah.