staffer to be his chief of staff. they're all names if they vote no or don't vote at all, that's going to be a pretty big number against kevin mccarthy. >> explain for our viewers between voting no and not voting. >> well, if you vote no which we expect out of matt gaetz and out of andy biggs, we expect it out of scott perry and others, if they don't vote, that means they'll come back around but they will have to cast a vote at some point if they are on the floor of the house. if they are not on the floor of the house then kevin mccarthy's margin of victory goes down. he doesn't have to get 218 and he can then squeak by like nancy pelosi did two years ago. >> all right, so there might be some people from the lack of spine caucus who are hiding in their broom closets for a little bit. we're getting closer to this make or break moment for kevin mccarthy and house republicans. you'll see it play out live on cnn. our special coverage continues.