and then the president, said, ok, i'm naming her that, and i'm giving her security clearance and then shortly before we left was when cipollone and/or herschmann and whoever the other young man was said you can name her whatever you want to name her and no one's going to pay any attention to it. speaker: how did he respond? how did the president respond to that? sidney powell: something like, you see what i deal with? i deal with this all the time. jake tapper: the meeting was extremely heated with cipollone arguing against the special counsel idea and against seizure of voting machines. pat cipollone: that's how the federal government sees voting machines, that's a terrible idea. that's not how we do things in the united states. there's no legal authority to do that. the three of them were really, sort of, forcefully attacking me verbally.