this other guy might do something. >> it was a very blunt, contentious conversation. hershman and i were on the same level of being the sort of street fighters of the meeting. >> when he finished discussing what he planned on doing, i said good -- excuse me, f-ing deal. you're clearly the right candidate for this job. >> white counsel pat cipollone was vehemently against the plan as well. >> he refer today the letter that jeff clark had submitted as a murder-suicide pact that no one should have anything to do with it. i had basically made the point to the president jeff clark was not even qualified to be the attorney general. he's promising you if he's going to conduct these very complex nationwide investigations in record time, and this is coming from a guy who's never conducted a real investigation, mr. clark responded by saying he's been