anniversary of the 6th and the 7th lunar landings before, maybe, the reelection of whoever exceeds president obama. and he or she will need his help now. >> i want to read something you wrote in the book. . you say america should chart a course of being the national leader of the international activity to develop the moon, but not by spending money placing u.s. government people on its surface. there's no need to spend our money on landers and other things we've done before. where do you want to see the program going now? it's all about colonizing. it's about two planets for the world. >> well, a lot more goes with that. and has to lead up to that. for example, when i submitted my choices for the future in '09, i