way that's kind of inexplicable. >> i think my experience was a little bit different in that i was an officer. your first tour you were e-4. so the rank structure was a little bit different. i had a lot more power that came with me and i was able to exercise that. this goes back to empowering the female service members to stand up, to know that when they speak up that they will be listened to and they will be treated fairly. >> how do you do that? >> these predators seek out people who are weak targets. >> yes. >> i was not a weak target. it's not something i experienced personally. however, my command was one that was -- that did create this safe climate for people to be able to make those kinds of reports. but you can't make it based on, you know, the personalities or the strengths or weaknesses of any system commander, which is why the system has to be one that is safe, transparent and fair holding people accountable. >> so what is evident is that people are afraid to report. and what's being reported isn't being dealt with at a great