and more are brought into some of the details here they'll understand there's a tradeoff between transparency -- >> congressman did, in fact, allude to that saying the american people want to be safe. it seems to me the minute you bring up safety and terrorism especially after the week we've had with all of these embassies closed that there's really no way that any of these programs are going to substantially be changed because they're too far reaching. >> well, i think, look, that's one of the interesting things about this issue is that there partisanship on capitol hill and the support doesn't fall along the traditional partisan lines that most issues -- that occurs with most issues in d.c. and they're by and large supportive of the program. and i think that he needs to