reason. and i think he's trying to listen to the national security voices which are bipartisan saying, you know what? this is an important program, we can do this with proper oversight and you do need the oversight, but we can do it with prosecutor oversight and protect americans' privacy. >> but the truth of the matter is that his advisory board said, look, there's no real evidence we can point to that this program has helped stop a terrorist attack. so therefore there is collection of private data, what was thought to be private data on almost every american for a program that hasn't turned up a terrorist. does that not seem -- and the president sort of chose to then put it into private hands or place. where is that place that can't be targeted or any of these places that end up being hacked into, what is that place?