will ever know. i have more common sense and i'm a far better leader than jeb. jeb will never be a leader. >> why do you keep talking about jeb bush when ben carson -- >> i talk about ben carson too. ben carson's a very low energy person. actually, i think ben carson is lower energy than jeb, if you want to know the truth. we need strong energy. the thing with ben, he's got a very good pac. he's got people running his pac. he's got people all over iowa from his pac and they're running. ben doesn't even go to iowa that much. and he's doing well in iowa? so i think that the super pacs are a real problem in terms of our country. i am talking about ben. i did talk about jeb because i thought jeb was going to be the frontrunner. obviously he's no longer the frontrunner. i probably won't talk about him so much anymore. >> carson criticized your proposal to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants. he said it would cause the collapse of the farming industry. that's obviously something of major concern.