and you might just get some members of congress who think, you know what, this might not rise to the level of impeachment, what he did with ukraine. i disagree, but they may say that. but it is impossible for them not to say he's obstructing the process. >> i say the cake is baked. why participate at this point? >> donald trump is going to defend himself, but most likely not in the form democrats use. he will defend himself on twitter and pool sprays and gaggles and at rallies and we'll hear no shortage of words on trump whatever they may be. >> and look at this as well, because while people were hopefully taking a break and digesting turkey, a lot happened this past week with regard to impeachment. just look at some of the headlines. trump knew of the whistle-blower complaint when he released the aid to ukraine. giuliani pushed inquiries and witness testimony and records raise questions about the account of the president's no quid pro quo, and it goes on and on and on.