cheney than a mitt romney republican right now. >> it is significant. >> it is significant that someone like mitt romney is saying that. i also thought that it was significant that george will -- there are people trying to put the hard tough issues away that usually come from a place of good faith. i think they're making the wrong call. campaigns usually have traditional issues. economy, president's age and immigration. so many people desperate lid want to go back to that world because it's safe and comfortable. that they just are afraid to keep talking about the issues that matter like democracy, which makes this 2024 election completely unprecedented, even different than 2016 and 2020. >> thanks for being here. really appppreciate itit. going g head-to-hehead in iowaw. we'll l be right b back.