these chemical weapons and we'll leave you alone. >> he will not do that voluntarily. he has to be under pressure. there must be a threat. remember that when he was threatened with military action, he surrendered what he called his strategic weapon overnight and i think with another forceful action on the part of the united states he would have to negotiate surrendering the power to democratic government. >> how much are you filled in on the dialogue between the russians and secretary of state john kerry? we understand things are not going very smoothly. there's really -- it seems like they're having a very tough time coming up with something that both sides can agree on. >> that's true, because you know, the russians have made their decision to stand by bashar. they know they will stand by the dictator. remove him and the whole thing collapses. so they are going to be maneuvering a lot and the regime is elusive. they are very good at trying to