the middle and lower income categories are getting premiums they can't believe. why are they so low? there would be a mandate that everybody has to buy health insurance, unless you're satisfied with what you have, everybody has to have health insurance, at least through the exchange. if the insurance pool is just open to those who are really sick, imagine what the premiums will be. we want everyone in the pool. >> they can't get on the pool, though, senator. >> let me explain this to you. we have 9 million people who have already tried to get online. i think the number is even higher. i met with a surgeon from boston, well known, and i asked how did the massachusetts plan get started? he said we had some problems at the beginning with the internet, getting i don't think line, but once that was smoothed out, it's 98% of massachusetts residents now have health insurance. so let's let a few glitches at the beginning sour the ultimate goal of giving people who have