it's just a matter of the united states making a mistake, labeling him and all the members of the african congress as terrorists. the united states does the same thing with other people around the world still. but anyway, i don't know of anything that would be derogatory that you could say about nelson mandela, although he did some very controversial things. as you may know, i tried every way i could when i was president to get an end to apartheid. when president reagan came into office, he really undid the things that we did and tried to preserve the apartheid government. so the united states government policies have changed back and forth and other nations have looked upon nelson mandela and his organization in different capacities but i think what he's done has been right in wanting freedom and after he was finally released from 27 years of imprisonment, his attitude was one of forgiveness and reconciliation and building a better nation for his people. >> that's the thing about him