government to investigation his political rivals the bidens. take a listen to his answers. >> did you discuss joe biden or his son or his family with the -- >> it doesn't matter what i discussed. but i will say this. somebody ought to look into joe biden's statement because it was disgraceful. >> did you talk about joe biden during the conversation. >> i don't want to talk about any conversation other than to say -- other than to say great conversation. totally appropriate conversation. couldn't have been better. >> we should point out this reporting about president trump talking to ukraine comes from a rupert murdoch backed newspaper, the "wall street journal" and murdock seen as a close ally of the president. let's chew over this with the panel. jane, let me start with you. the president said it doesn't matter what i discussed. it matters quite a bit. >> it does matter. it is interesting, because there is what matters politically and what matters legally. legally he's on slightly firmer ground. there has been some interesting writing in terms of what you can actually ask someone to do for