and it is generating concern in the west wing. >> let's chat about this. i want to ask you what is the president thinking, what is his mood, does he understand impeachment may actually potentially i guess, the trump campaign theory of the case that it will rally supporters, raise money, potentially that's true, but it will also be a real blight on his presidency. >> you don't know which way it will go. maybe it could shore up support, encourage voters to turn out, or maybe going through the process will reveal more damaging information that they don't want to come out that's not going to be helpful, that's going to contribute to the chaos cloud that has surrounded president trump for so long. so that's the concern. but so far people are trying to get the president engaged to make him realize this is going to be something you can get over, but you have to fight this. he does not have that mentality now. that's why a lot of people are telling us they think he is in denial stage of what he is