let's chew over all of this. we are awaiting president trump and turkish president erdogan taking questions and we'll go to that live. but before we do that, there was a point you were making because jim jordan had talked about, the republican jordan had been asked if you are criticizing the people for secondhand information, these two witnesses what about bringing in the people with firsthand information and he said there is a tradition of that not happening because of executive privilege and you said that is not necessarily correct. >> i want to give you one great history cal example where someone h t come in and talk about the president, that is president nixon white house counsel john dean. they had one person and john dean and he came in and testified in front of congress and that was significant testimony and the reason he was able to do that because he was testifying about things that were not lawful. and that is what we've heard john bolton call this a drug deal, we've also -- mulvaney at one point said it was a quid pro quo. so these are people to hear