theory around ukraine which putin pushed as well. you think about nancy pelosi saying all roads lead to putin. this was brought up in the hearing today that partenkirchen of this theory about the dnc receive server is about exculpating russia from their involvement in the 2016 and saying no, it was really ukraine. listen, rudy giuliani while all of this was happening, people thought he was a problem. you had john bolton saying this guy is a hand grenade, he's going to whether or not he this whole thing up. you had pompeo, i think asked by volcker, about pompeo. he just sort of rolled his eyes about giuliani's involvement. giuliani said he wants to come before the committee with his charts and graphs. i don't think so. >> and as somebody who's an expert in the state department because you work there and you after that, expert in intelligence. if you know that a president could be manipulated by spreading information even if it's false about this ambassador a is a never trumper.