>> there is an indigenous anger and frustration that drove a lot of punk on and got a lot of young people behind it. ♪ london calling through the far away towns ♪ ♪ war is declared and battle come down ♪ >> you've been said to be a political group. >> yeah, i've said it. it's true. >> if there were jobs, maybe we'd be singing about love and kissing or something. >> the clash, musically, is the best of the lot. doesn't sound like traditional punk, but it doesn't sound like anybody else but the clash either. ♪ but i have no fear because london is drowning ♪ ♪ i live by the river ♪ ♪ i never felt so much ♪ >> punk was a wide umbrella and that wider scene included people who were a little bit more complex in their musical performance style. people aren't going to buy something that you call punk. they might buy it if you call it new wave. >> we hear a lot about punk rock these days. can we have your thoughts on that? >> i think it's better to just call it a new wave, really.