>> if there was jobs, maybe we'd be singing about love and kissing or something. >> the clash musically is the best of the lot. it count sound like traditional punk, but doesn't sound like anybody else but the clash, either ♪ london is calling and i, i lively the river ♪ >> punk was a wide umbrella and that wider scene included people who were more complex in their musical performance style. people aren't going to buy something just called punk. they might buy it if you call it new wave. >> punk rock, these days, what's your thoughts on that? >> it's better to call it a new wave, really. by defining it as punk, you're automatically putting a boundary around what's possible. bands like talking heads are excellent. >> talking heads was the ultimate college band, and they did a sophisticated spiky music