about for years, but we actually have to get to the point of negotiating it and talking about it and getting all parties to the table, and that's what we would like to see. >> does it have to have, as you said earlier, a full delay or defund of obama care as well? >> so part of entitlement, we have created a brand new entitlement with the affordable care act, also known as obama care. that's a brand new entitlement to the tune of over $2 trillion. so all those things i think have to be on the table. there can't be any preconditions, as i just heard your lead-in here saying the president says he will do this if, and set preconditions to any negotiations. when you go into negotiations you need to have people on both sides of the table. we're here, he's not. and no really preconditions going into the discussions. everything on the table. >> go ahead, congresswoman. that sounds reasonable, right? >> republicans recklessly shut down the government. now they're threatening to default instead of raising the debt ceiling, and this is the way they are avoiding the