conversation centers on him and you get into the didactic of traitor or patriot because that's going down a rabbit hole. what he has done is brought up significant issues in how robust and substantial the nsa's warrantless surveillance has been and is it in direct conflict with our constitutional values? those are issues we need to continue to discuss. >> how's life after the cia? >> i miss my job, but i'm hard at work on my second spy thriller called "burned" it will come out in october. you can take some of the stories and fascinating characters i met along the way and fictionalize them and that's what i'm working on now. >> i recommend "blow back" excellent, excellent read. thanks for coming in. >> thank you. >> coming up, new information about the underwater pings believed to be coming from the missing plane. why is a u.s. senator running away from our own dana