that was a category 3. is going to be a category 4, approaching a category 5. >> right. the problem of trying to compare the two is katrina was a category 5 down here in the gulf of mexico. so it built its surge, all the water in its bubble and pushed the water -- even though the storm was dying in intensity because the water got colder, it pushed the water into lake ponchartrain. that's where all the surge and the ninth ward and the breaking of the levees in ponchartrain, that's where it came from. this storm was a 1 or 2 until about midnight. the surge has not built with this. we're still going to get 10 to 15. bay st. louis had a 26-foot surge. we don't know the number because none of the surge monitors survive. we only know the number because of where the waterline was as it moved onshore. this is a storm -- i think people don't understand what 150