her witnesses like brad raffensperger who will say, presumably, listen, mark meadows was on that call where donald trump demanded 11,780 nonexistent votes at the end of the process. there was nothing necessary or proper about that. so she could persuade the judge meadows hasn't met his legal burden. it is going to be a battle. and we'll just see how it turns out. >> tim, the cnn presidential historian is with us as well. and trump is printing and selling his mug shot on everything from shirts, coffee mugs, bumper stickires. does this seem at odds with the seriousness of the multiple felony charges he's now facing? >> well, it is at odds but it is not surprising. after all, they want to undermine the seriousness of the case against the former president. let's step back for a moment and get a sense of the context here.