middle class parents learned about the top. the top is something that you know that has been part of the discussion on policing reform and black lives matter and the like for the last 5 to 10 years. but is still probably largely unknown in white america. do you think he accomplished that. do you think that the white middle class families or white families out there might now have an understanding of it in a way they wouldn't have? >> i would hope, so jake. and listen -- i think that it is joe biden superpower, it's been his every man knows-ness -- whether you like his policies or not -- you get the message across, because those are the people, the people that you mentioned, white america, those are the folks that need to hear. and where it is a formal, i'm going to see you down sign and