substantial sentence. it's not what we asked for, but it's not a slap on the wrist. it is a substantial amount of time, and she will never be a police officer. she will never be able to own a firearm. she will always carry the stigma of being a convicted felon. and, you know, i think that it's important to -- >> wait. i'm sorry. general ellison, if i could cut you off, but i hate to do so. but i keep hearing that word "substantial" sticks in my craw because two years, people are looking at the idea of somebody being killed and the notion of substantial being attributed to two years is not, i don't think, a genuine statement. i understand the notion you're saying and it is still 24 months of time. it is still a conviction. but compared to the prospect of what the guidelines have required and the downward departure, which you and i know does not happen every time. i've been a prosecutor and asked for upward or downward. judges are like, here are the guidelines. i know people take issue with that. but the larger point is this.