the ultimate task of how far our democracy will go or how much we can stand will be in november of 2024. and look, there are a lot of people who aren't excited about joe biden. a lot of people who weren't excited about donald trump. it ain't gonna be about them. it's gonna be about whether you believe in this democracy or whether or not you don't. >> it's a day where frankly if you believe in democracy, you cannot vote for donald trump. that has got to be with on the agenda. >> is that what was on the ballot? >> i think that there are people who are going to express these high minded ideals, but unfortunately there are going to be people who find the race much differently than that. so there will be people on the right who frame this as a referendum on joe biden. there will be people who frame it as a referendum on some of the issues, immigration, abortion, the economy. so yes, the democracy, i don't disagree with you guys at all, that our democracy is fragile and we have seen it being