disbarred, the recommendation is not final but do you think it is fair?>> we lawyers, everyone likes to hit on lawyers until they need one, the fact is we are given a lot of leeway, as officers of the court, we are given leave to make good faith mistakes, wrong on the law or the facts but what we can do, is we can't make arguments that have no evidentiary support, that is basically what the panel said, rudy giuliani resting on his long reputation as a political figure made these very ambitious claims that the pennsylvania findings of the election in 2020 should be disregarded, and there was no evidence to support those claims, i don't know if people would eventually be disbarred but certainly there is significant evidence the panel found that what he did was not just wrong, it was so wrong