>> i haven't seen it. i listened to it. and i'll just tell you, for k w knowing sandra since she was 9 years old, growing up through the youth departments, one of the active young aadulthoodults church who i just saw the fourth sunday in june and to know her family and to hear her in pain from that arrest was difficult. >> okay. so let's talk about it because you know her. you're a man of cantor, i can tell here. so what do you think? people say there were things going on with her that she was going through some things. but we don't know. what was happening in her life? was there anything that was happening in her life that would lend to her taking her own life inside of this cell?