>> we're at a very bizarre period where people forget that this is actually quite serious. we have a lot of issues in this country. i understand what you're saying about looking forward to it, don. but, at some point e point, this is the summer. it is going to get serious. and serious candidates with serious issues need to debate the issues and approaches and i think that's what you're going to end up with at the end of the day. >> if people are interested in bombastic or donald trump as a personality or even as connie said, his hair, whatever they're interested in, isn't that an opportunity to pull people in who might not have pulled into this.