talk about now. let's talk about ben carson because he's making waves and shocking controversial statements and some people say it's gaffes, right? kevin, do you think he's presidential material with some of the things he said when you consider, you know, people are looking at this issue seriously and looking at him as a consecoco conservative as a man of color in the race? >> i do. i'm not going to say a guy that's a foremost thinker and neuro surge and done the things ben carson has done should not be looked at seriously. i wouldn't say he's necessarily my candidate give or take but the idea they would call him a clown on the left i find kind of interesting. >> okay. we'll talk about this because "gq" has an article up and it's basically "f ben carson." more on this after the break. >> that's out of line. cure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about.