joining me now is imamfasul raoul, the author of "defining islamic statehood." i appreciate you joining us. what did you make of the -- he said this is not about the great people who are muslims in this country, you know, who practice islam already. this is about weeding out terrorism. there is a distinction, according to him. >> well, first of all, we all share the distinction, we all share the need to combat terrorism. muslims are the number one victims, the primary victims of terrorism. isis has killed more muslims than they've killed anonymous limbs. not to say that they're not equally bad, but we have been the primary victims of this. the issue i find is they're working under a flawed narrative. that's like saying to prevent columbine from happening again, let's close down all schools and all colleges so kids who shoot other kids, that doesn't happen. that narrative doesn't work.