transformation. and push change. >> a combination, i have no idea. >> that's the right question. up until now i expect this to continue for the the steady hand. we have been through this period in politics where washington experience is something that people run away from. as fast as they can. you don't have insiders running for national office. in a successful way. in the cnn des moines register poll. what at tribute was moes important. d.c. experience. that's -- how it happened. trump didn't -- we want the opposite. >> if you're putting your finger on something. it's not just electability with biden. it's something people know. the calm and i remember that time. it was different it was