in the field. a guy nobody knew with a name you couldn't pronounce came from a -- >> an out gay man. >> yeah. >> he's not so skinny. skinny kid with a funny name. you know what i mean -- >> yeah. >> i'm not saying -- >> probably nobody more different from donald trump than pete buttigieg. >> having said that he speaks about things in different ways. you heard what mark said. i'm wondering if this primary race is going to come down to whether people want someone who is a safe bet or do they want someone who is ready for transformational -- who's going to push transformational change. i have no idea. >> i think that's the right question. up till now, i expect this to continue for a while, it's a steady hand. you know, we have been through this period in politics where washington experience is something that people run away from as fast as they can. you don't have insiders running for national office in a successful way. in the cnn des moines register