pole thpoll what attribute was e toughest. >> dc experience. >> what happened was donald trump -- >> donald trump did that. >> that's why we're looking -- >> we want the opposite of that. by the way, i think you're putting your finger on the pulse. it's not just electability about joe biden, it's something people know. >> right. >> it's the calm. oh, i remember that time. it was different. it was predictable. >> okay. so here's what that -- what i've thought all along, not just this season but always, is that it's interesting to see -- to compare and contrast candidates in the debate but being a president is not about making decisions and answering questions in 30 seconds. >> yeah, exactly. >> absolutely. >> so is it fair to put people on stage and say, okay, here you go, you have 30 seconds, you have a minute. when you're president you have a minute. rarely does that ever happen. >> i think now the american