with president trump in office he developed a habit where essentially he will give out his personal cell phone number to the leaders he developed a personal relationship with. and sometimes he calls them at night when he's in the residence. there's no staff around. and it's not on the secure line. it's done through the president's cell phone. not true "the situation room." so there are instances where there aren't a lot of people on the president's calls. >> oh, boy. thank you, both. appreciate it. let's bring juliette kayyem, matthew rosenberg. you guys heard all of that. let's discuss now. j juliette, "the washington post" reporting that giuliani's interview raising a lot of questions about the president and the white house interaction with ukraine. give me your takeaway, please. >> i think we're sort of missing the take away. rudy giuliani is rudy giuliani. i think my takeaway from today was another letter that the ig for the odni sent to congress. in that letter it becomes clear