obama or hillary clinton who had done that because it is wrong regardless of who does it. it un-american. it is unethical, and it is unacceptable. >> well, it's also -- i'm out of time, but it's also to mrmr. mr. lotter's, i think eventual point, it's also unknown. we need more facts. we need to know what happened in the call. we need the whistle-blower complaint. let's see where it takes us. but it was interesting to hear you acknowledge, marc, it is an issue of national security what happened on that call and how it was handled is as well. thank you for debating tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. so for the first time ever in a major new poll, elizabeth warren has caught up with joe biden, and it is happening in a very crucial place. question, whom does it hurt more? biden or bernie? you know who's got the answer? that guy, the wizard of odds, next. and my side super soft? with the sleep number 360 smart bed you can both...