>> so i mean, listen, mulvaney, he said it. he said the quid pro quo is exactly about what president trump is now describing, a demand to investigate the 2016 election. is that not what he said? >> yeah, he did. what mulvaney did was not only an admission but a confession. you know, it's simply stunning that he would put it out there. i mean, look, i think a lot of this nonsense and this incoherence we're hearing from the president is simply a distraction. they have a problem with republican members right now over ukraine, the syrian/kurdish betrayal, the shameful betrayal of the kurds, this doral self-dealing, the meltdown meeting last week, and there are other situations that are arising. i mean that's what the president -- that's his problem. and these are severe problems, and the substance of the issues that are being addressed with respect to the phone call transcript, the whistle-blower