when mondale held first, but gary hart, who was at 4% on the night of the j.j. dinner -- >> thanks for the history lesson. i got to get mark in. mark, listen, pete buttigieg is surging in the new iowa poll. he's in the top tier with elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, and joe biden. what does that tell you about his candidacy and where the party is as a matter of fact? >> well, i think it means that the party is looking for a pragmatic, clear centrist vote. i think they're looking for an alternative to joe biden. i think a lot of the biden supporters and people who would likely under circumstances support biden just don't feel his campaign is coming together, taking off. i think those are a lot of the people that are coming to pete buttigieg. so they want an alternative to kind of the left progressive wing, the biden/warren wing, and pete buttigieg just might be it. i'll tell you that others are getting a lot of buzz too. amy klobuchar, who is from next door, she's familiar, she knows these issues and apparently from