indicators. they're lacking indicators. as you and i talked about a little earlier today, i think people are beginning to kind of -- a little bit of this now. most americans as we talked are taking care of their kids and putting food on the table and doing their jobs. i happen to believe -- and i said this to you last week -- the attack on yovanovich, when the president was tweeting and everything, i think that's something that people say, that doesn't sound good. presidents shouldn't be doing that. and there's been a steady -- we talked about this from the very first day. there's a steady reporting on all of this, and now a guy who overhears a phone conversation, everybody can relate to that, right, don? we're on the phone. i mean, my wife says i can hear you talking all the time. can you be quiet? >> when you can hear the person on the other end. >> people can get that, don. they understand it. and when these things become more understandable -- and what were they talking about honey -- then i think people start to