ukraine, which of course is an old trope in american politics and a very ugly one. and then donald trump jr. taking to twitter to excoriate him, lieutenant colonel vindman, and criticize him in very personal terms. think of the depravity of the trump family, the president allowing his son to attack a decorated veteran of our military. i thought this was the lowest point of the hearings over the last two weeks. and the contrast between these upright, professional, ethical, career civil service officers and some of these politicians, i found it really striking that people can see the difference. >> just when you think we've reached the gutter, it gets lower than the gutter. maybe we're going to get down to the earth's core. who knows how low we're going to go here. when williams and vindman were asked whether anyone in the national security community supported putting the hold on ukraine's security assistance, both of them said no.