as far as you know. >> that's correct. >> mr. butterfield, if one were to reconstruct the conversations, what would be the best way to reconstruct those conversations? >> well, in the obvious manner, mr. dash, to obtain the tape and play it. >> thank you very much, sir. >> a startling development. >> certainly critical in regard to dean's testimony and in essence the case against the president of the united states. >> ron, can you tell us how the president was informed about mr. butterfield's testimony and what his reaction to it was? >> well, he was informed by members of the staff when we were informed about it. i won't give you his reaction to it. >> ron -- >> is the president going to