so this squabble has been going on for some time. and there are people today even who believe this was more about displacing shoigu and -- rather than displacing putin. i think the dust has to settle on that yet. but clearly mr. prigozhin had a plan that he executed well to take over two very important cities in the south to start making his point that something needed to change with the senior military leadership of russia. >> alexander, i mean does that make sense to you that prigozhin was going to go to moscow with his mercenaries and, what, confront shoigu and other military leaders? because clearly vladimir putin in his statement was portraying this as a treasonous act, a stab in the back, a betrayal. >> we don't know whether the plan was really to go into moscow, but they came very close, much closer than many