>> so the fascinating thing is, i mean -- you're an attractive woman in that movie. but when the part for "basic instinct" came up, your manager said that they weren't interested in you because they didn't think you were sexy enough. >> that was always the thing about me, that no one thought i was sexy enough. >> how did you persuade them? >> i think a lot of it was because of the fact that i was difficult. and that's not sexy. then i got a screen test. but michael didn't want to screen test with me -- >> michael douglas? >> yes, because it was such a huge risk for him to play this part in this -- at this period in time, controversial film. so verhoeven said -- >> verhoeven the director? >> the director, and he was also the director of "total recall." and he said, okay, but everyone that we screen test, we're going to play sharon's test after.