question, governor, he said it clearly is a national security threat to the united states. but you've been there several times. and you say you're surprised that north korea has this capability and you were there, you point out, a couple years ago, with the head of google and some experts, some hacking experts, have told me you don't need a lot of capability, you need a few guys who know how to do it and you can cause a lot of devastation? >> well, obviously the u.s. government, many observers have underestimated their capability. it's pretty strong. and when they concentrate their resources on nuclear weapons and military capability and cyber to the extent that they don't help their own people, food, et cetera, that's where the resources are going. this does surprise me also because in the past, the north koreans have said to me, we want