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"outfront," news. president obama just emerged from a 90-minute meeting with the top four leaders in congress. at that podium you saw john boehner. was there any kind of a breakthrough? 90-minute meeting after not talking for a week. we'll go live to the white house. plus one of the lawmaker who pushed for obama care to be included in the fight. rand paul is "outfront" to respond. and the story from the beginning, the violent confrontation between a motorist and a group of people caught on tape. we have news at the top of the hour. president obama and congressional leaders just a moment ago literally, 90 seconds ago, wrapping up a 90-minute meeting at the white house. if the congressional leaders are about to talk about that meeting. john boehner was there a moment ago. i want to get straight -- mitch mcconnell, i believe, is speaking. he is getting into his suv. let me get straight to jim acosta who is at the white house. we saw john boehner speak. who else spoke? a 90-minute meeting. what happened? >> all we've seen so far, you caught me poking down the driveway for a few moments. all we've seen so far is house speaker john boehner coming out of west wing. he gave a very brief statement saying at this point, the white house will not negotiate over this shutdown that is now into day two. obviously, house republicans would like to see some sort of concession on obama care. the president, if you listen to what john bain her to say right after this meeting, the white house is not offering that. what john boehner said, he still wants to have conferrees pointed. what does that mean? what house republican wos like to have the senate do is send members from the senate into a joint house senate conference to try to work out some sort of agreement. senate democrats have obviously balked at that. that may have been some of the conversation at this meeting. john boehner saying that's what we want. we just want this conversation. the headline is that there's no breakthrough. >> certainly the headline. mitch mcconnell has left. harry reid and nancy pelosi just walked out. >> democrats won't negotiate. but the speaker has to accept is yes for an answer. he said that he wanted to go to conference. he sent us something in the house that he wanted to go to conference. i thought we would throw him a life line. i said fine, we'll to go conference. all we want you to do is open the government. i went through a litany of things we would be happy to talk about or anything else he wanted to talk about. we said we'll be happy to talk about discretionary spending. we'll talk about agriculture. we'll talk about parks, health care, we'll talk about anything that you want to talk about. and he says, no. all he want to do is go to conference on a short term cr. we have the debt ceiling staring us in the face. and he wants to talk about a short term cr? i thought that they were concerned about the long-term fiscal affairs of this country. and we said we are, too, let's talk about it. my friend john boehner, i repeat, cannot take yes for an answer. >> thank you, mr. leader. on march 1st, we saw many of you out here after we had a meeting in the oval office with president obama. at that time, speaker boehner and leader mcconnell said that they wanted to proceed on the budget discussion under the regular order. a washington term which means you pass a bill in the hour, pass a bill in the senate, you go to conference. all of that was march 1st, before the end of the month, the house and the senate both passed a bill. but the republicans had resisted the regular order. for six months, they have avoided going to conference. now they come up with their suggestion or two of 986 or 988. it varies. 988 which is a figure our members in the house do not like, think it is far too low and the republican chairman of the appropriatations committee said it does not provide for the needs of the american people. nonetheless, having said that, the members of the house democrats stood on the capitol today and made a solid real offer to the speaker of the house to accept his number. which they don't like and they don't respect. but for the purpose of opening up government and going to next step. all we have to do is bring it to the president. it come to the president's desk. government is open. then we go to the table as the leader discussed. some of that discussion can be helpful in terms of addressing growth, deficit reduction, and how we go forward on lifting the debt ceiling. so we just have to find a way. and we have to find a path that they can go down. if they keep moving the goalpost and won't even accept their own number, as the leader said, if they don't take yes for an answer, then i can only conclude that they wanted to shut down government. that they think that that has a purpose for them. and we know what that is. they to overturn the affordable care act which won't happen. and frankly, that's not what our constitution had in mind. if you don't like something, you threaten to shut down government. it is not that kind of a system. in any event, ever optimistic because so much is at stake, i'm hopeful that in the conversation, we heard open of other. that we'll be able to find a place to go, as the leader suggested. six months after we were supposed to in order to discuss the budget that can be helpful. the next challenge is lifting the debt ceiling. it was a worthwhile meeting. i'm glad it was held. we had, shall we say, some candid discussion, wouldn't you say, mr. leader? and we won't go into that. >> one of the things i felt very happy i was there. the president of the united states was very strong, strong, strong. this has never happened before. they can make the historical analysis they want. a political party would be willing to take the country to the brink of financial disaster and say we won't allow them to pay our bills. the president said, we won't stand for that. and in, happy to work with you, pr speaker, it is all focused on obama care. that's all it is about. as i said before and i'll tell you tonight. they did the same thing to social security. they did the same thing to medicare and they're trying to do the same to obama care. obama care is another social security. another medicare program. it is signature to this administration and this nancy pelosi and harry reid worked hard to get it done. one thing that they made very clear in that meeting, we are locked in tight on obama care. >> you're in that meeting, more than an hour. what is your sense? how real is the danger that the country may default? >> i believe based on what we have seen, the performance of the tea party driven, cruz led house now, no longer in the senate. it is in the house. i think that it looks like these people are headed where they want to go. bachmann said finally, we're where we wanted to be. we closed down the government. she's not alone. >> let me just say this about the meeting. and that is the following. i think there are certain principles or attitudes that we should have. i'm not saying we agreed to this in the meeting. porder.ing for the good of the and the confidence of the american people. we should take the debt ceiling debate off the table. the united states of america will always offer the full faith and credit of our country. no president should be held hostage to that for a social or other agenda. so let's just take that off the table. it is really dangerous. closing the government is bad. the combination of that. we have to think about what we're to go now. >> let's take off the table. secondly, secondly, every bill that ever passes in the congress is subject to another bill passing in the congress to amend it. >> and so if they don't like certain aspects of the affordable care act, they have every opportunity in the majority. especially, to bring anything to the floor to make whatever changes they want. but that should not be something that is a threat to whether government is open or the full faith and credit. so take the lifting of the debt ceiling off the table. recognize that any bill that has passed enacted into law can be changed under the regular order. but don't confuse the two. >> did the speaker say he would not bring it to the floor? >> i don't know why they haven't accepted their own number. we stad on the steps of the capitol. over 100 members, as i said, with the support of the other members of the caucus to say we're making a firm offer. as i have done privately over and over again, that we will accept the 988. you know that our members do not like the 988. most have dug their heals to say they would never support the 988. but to open government, that opinion is a luxury we cannot afford on the side of the democrats or the republicans. so we're willing to compromise to accept their number. they had two things. 988 and overturn obama care. this won't happen. we're willing to accept this. >> are you going to meet again? >> can you tell us how long you expect this shutdown to continue after this meeting? >> you can see harry reid and nancy pelosi walking away with a phalanx of cameras on them. before i go to the senator, i want to you hear what john boehner said. he spoke very briefly. not like nancy pelosi and harry reid but for just a few seconds in front of the same cameras a moment ago. i want to play you what he had to say in that 90-minute meeting with the president. >> in times like this, the american people expect their leaders to come together and try to find ways to resolve their differences. the president reiterated one more time that he will not negotiate. we've got divide government. we sent four different proposals to our colleagues in the senate them rejected all of them. >> that was what speaker boehner had to say. i want to bring in senator ran paul. senator paul, always great to have you with us. you've heard speaker boehner, nancy pelosi and harry reid. harry reid just said very clearly, they're not negotiating. they appear to agree on one thing. the democrats said they are locked in tight on obama care them won't put it on the table. >> i think one of the interesting things, i hear from the american people, why don't you compromise? i would think you have to negotiate. that means discussing your differences and trying to get in the middle between the two. we've been offering some compromises. i think that's what the american people want. we started out with a position that we don't want any obama care. that's what we believe. the president wants all of it. 100%. i would think a compromise would be both sides. >> what about what you all are asking for, a short term resolution which is what the republicans have asked for. and he is saying, i thought you care about long term fiscal responsibility. he had a point. and then nancy pelosi said they have agreed to something they don't want to agree to, a spending cap of $988. something you've been dying to do. why isn't that enough? it does seem like obama care is a bit of an obsession. >> here's the problem. people are like, why will government shut down? we're not doing appropriations bills. we have 12 appropriations bills. had harry reid brought them to wall and shut down. that's how it worked when we had differences between the house and the senate. they're defying what the normal history of compromise here. we're offering today to find government. only 15% of government spending is shut down and we're trying to actually encourage the passage of more of the spending. and they're vetoing any more spending bills to try to open up government. we're trying to open up as they're saying we won't negotiate. >> one thing i have to ask you. you just raised an amazeding point. in a sense you have a lot of leverage. you've created a situation where the problem is only 15% but people perceive it to be closer to 100. now you can get them to give you spending cuts and spending caps and all these things that you've wanted. why would not you take those? why put your entire heart and soul and reputation and next seat in office on obama care. ? you have to realize, those numbers are above the sequester. we aren't getting any great spending reduction out of this. i probably can't vote for a continuing resolution above the sequester because i think one of the good things we've done on control speck. this is about us not obsessed but one thing. congress has the power of the purse. congress is supposed to have overnight. when that's what separation is for. you have a separation of powers. when we have a divided government, we have to negotiate. the fact that they won't negotiate is untenable. i think they'll have to talk to us. >> peter king was on last night. person that you've been closely affiliated. with that is ted cruz. i wanted to play this. >> they have 30 or 40 or 50 people driving us over a cliff. it has to end. we have to stop listening to ted cruz. >> what do you say to that? there are a lot of republican who's say what this core group, the minority group in your party is doing is destroying your party. peter king is one of them. he is certainly not alone. >> i think it is unfair actually. i think the one thing that we're very unified on, not everybody agreed on the tactics. everybody admits that. however on, obama care, we're absolutely united. the republican senate caucus, we shouldn't fund it. it is bad for america. it is a disaster for us, we're willing to compromise. that's what the american people need to know. we've been giving and giving. the president is saying my way or the highway. and i don't think that's what american people want. >> if it is a disaster, don't you gain the most by letting it ham? now if it is even 1% of success, it might look like a bone head way. he said you won't defun his signature legislation. the polling shows the american people seem to agree with that. they say avoid the government shutdown is more important than delaying obama care. >> i'm not sure it is as clear cut as you make it out to be. i think the people who want me to stand up and fight obama care, they think i think bad and it will reduce your choices. i think it takes away your freedom of choice. in my state, you'll have four choices where you once had 50 choices. one insurance company where you had 37 insurance coils. it does take away choices. 61% of my state voted for romney. they want me to stand up but they don't want the government shutdown. i have been one who says fight. i fought for defunding but we lost. the president wants 100%. should he not need to negotiate to get somewhere in the middle in order to get a compromise? >> now, senator, one final question. you just heard harry reid when he was asked by the reporters, frbl meeting do you feel the debt kraelg will be breached. that is the big thing. that is much bigger than this government shutdown. and he seemed to indicate from that meeting, yes. he thinks it will be. he said we are the most important economy in the world. we're the reserve currency of the world. payments have to go out to people. if money doesn't flow in, money doesn't flow out. are you to let the debt ceiling -- >> i'll for taking it completely off the table. and the promise to wall street that we will always pay the interest on the debt as a priority. do you know how we do that? we bring in $260 million every month. the debt payment is about 30 billion. what's going on, the democrats are saying, we might not pay it because republicans don't want to raise the debt kraelg. that would mean you have a balanced budget. we should pay our bill and never hurt the markets. i would pass a law saying the first revenue has to go to pay interest. >> but it is still de faulting when you're defaulting on social security. >> why would you be late on your social security payments? we have a bill call the full faith and credit bill. we've pass i had the i before. you may social security, medicare, and you pay with interest on the debt. we have money for all of that. >> senator paul, thank you. responding to what you just saw there. the laerds of the house and the senate who just met with the president. and they agreed. there was a big agreement. they both said the other side refused to compromise. we'll you go there political speak and say if there is any chance this stalemate breaks. then later, new images of the driver. one of the men involved will be on this programs. we'll be back on "outfront." 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