0 >> now i don't know which i like better, when the goat screams or that reporter screams. if only we could see them side by side. oh, we can, let's. >> would you not eat my pants? >>. [ laughter ] >> nothing like ending a long week by repeatedly watching someone get knocked over by a goat and watching a goat scream, have a great weekend, everybody, and watch your backs. >> tune in monday for number four. "ridiculist" countdown. hard to beat the goats. that does it for us. that does it for us. piers morgan live starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is piers morgan live, i'm s.e. cupp in tonight for pier piers. welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. tonight i'm joined by a man so controversial, so success schl, sofa mouse and infamous, he has his own television network. you either know him and love him or loathe him with every fiber of your being. i bet you don't actually know him at all. after tonight, you're going to. he's a media icon whose built a radio television and online empire, founder of mercury radio arts and the blaze, forbes puts his influence ahead of kanye west, john steward and jerry seinfeld and put his earnings at 90 million. he's got a book out called "miracles and massacres." i contribute to the blaze, glen beck is my boss, if you think that means i will go easy on him, you're wrong. buckle up america, an interesting hour. thanks for joining me. >> e wewe were talking in the g room. >> you are vladimir putin and i'm the whale. >> it's not going to be that bad. i want to talk about your book but i have this rare opportunity to talk to you about conserve 'tis m and i know you put a box on both houses, and i get that, but it seems like conservatives spend a lot of time talking about whose more conservative, whose the most conservative, this purity testing -- >> is that -- >> is -- >> maybe. i don't think people are looking at it the right way. this is the conversation we should be having in all parties in all walks of life. what is for maximum freedom and maximum personal responsibility? i don't care if you're a conservative, if you're a bible believer, if you're an atheist, i don't know. i run "the blaze" i asked you o contribute. faith play as huge role in my life, what does faith play in your life? >> i'm a non-beliefer. >> we have maximum responsibility and maximum freedom. >> let me play you something you said on your radio show where you talk about players i want to get into. go ahead. >> but i don't want another lindsey gram, i don't want another mitt romney or the lesser of two evils, i don't want that. anybody like mike lee, ted cruz, they are walking around right now with giant targets on them, both the democrats and the old guard gop progressives want them gone because they are a threat to their power and existence. >> who are the old guard gop progressives? who are you talking about? is wrong with them? >> carl wroth, what's his name, newt gingrich, mitch mcconnell, everybody that can make my life a living hell as i have a network. all the people in hatch. all these people who have had power for a very long time who say they are against these government programs but seem to have no problem creating supporting and paying for all these government programs. the government programs should be there to help people who really need help. only when it is the last resort, last resort, and always closest to the people. >> give me a for instance of one of those. >> you have people that are old and firm, that -- and don't have a church, don't have a family, don't have anybody to go to, but that i think is for the local community. when the local community can't do it, then last resort is the state. when the state can't do it, last resort. but it always should start the closest. where instead, we started way up here. there is no compassion. they aren't even close enough to the problem in washington to be able to see a solution. >> well, you like michael e. a utah senator, i like him as well. he said in a speech we conservatives need to spend more time identifying converts than heretics? is he wrong? >> i don't. the light in pointing out that what everybody has accused me of of saying, you know, he's against the president. he just doesn't like the president. he doesn't like republicans. no, i don't like progressives. the progressive party was started by theodore roosevelt, somebody that a lot of republicans really like. >> sure. >> there are a lot of things roosevelt said that i like. there are speeches i can read of the presidents that i like. i like that. pay attention. it's the progressive. it is the idea that the constitution is a flawed document and the power should be concentrated with the elite and there are people smarter than everybody else. if you don't think the mitch mcelder mcconnells, we'll say we're for this and get you elected and do what we have to do. >> status quo. >> i had really shocking big figures in washington, and in media tell me look, glenn, we love the constitution but there are things we have to do. no, no, we love the constitution period, and we stay within the frame work of the constitution period because it puts shackles -- if anybody thinks that, well, when my guy gets in, well then you'll see. then we'll use this apparatus. no, that's the point. that's the problem. it becomes about destruction. it becomes about i can control your life. no one should control your life. you have the right to think and be and live the way you choose. >> well, speaker boehner recently seemed to take the gloves off and smack the tea par par party caucus around a little. >> the leaders of the wig party were not afraid of the republicans when there were 20 of them, and a congressman stood up and started speaking out against slavery. he was only one of 20 republicans, and a member of the house comes over and beats him almost to death with hiss cane. the wigs, nor the democrats stop him from beating a fellow senator to death. why? because they didn't like these republicans. there is 20 of them. that's 1853. what happens? in seven years the wigs are over, and there is a republican president. i say the republicans are going the way of the wigs. this is their lost hooray. quite honestly, the last hoorah of all authoritarian minded people of the world. this technology is changing things so much, and this is why they are doing this power grab. technology allows us to communicate with each other and be maximum free for the first time. if the government doesn't control us, we don't have to go through the parties to find our information, they lose their control and money and nobody in business is coming to them to give them money to help them do things. they can't have that. >> do you think that's ultimately going to benefit free market conservatives or regressives. who will harness that? >> it should help all man kind. no matter the ideology, we should all be free. you know, i know that again, purest and the real purest in the libertarian movement really killed me. the ones the whole point of libertarian is we can be who we are. [ laughter ] but libertarians are the future. that is everybody be cool to each other. everybody live responsibly and live free. >> that sounds really good, but let me ask you about -- >> because -- >> no, let me ask you about the real world. chris christie is the real world. >> he is. chris christie is almost -- >> a nightmare. he is a nightmare. >> glenn, he's almost certainly going to run for president. >> don't care. >> he's beating hillary clinton. >> we don't want to win? >> no. >> conservatives don't want to win -- >> he's not a conservative, he's a progressive. >> tell me how he is. >> have you looked into his nightmare of global warming? global -- have you looked into that. >> yeah, okay. >> do you see where he stands on that? >> so he's too cozy with the upa -- >> you look at him on unions and you think to yourself, listen to what he's saying about unions. i kind of like that. he's for freedom, no, no, no, look at the way he looks at guns. you should be well aware of where he stands on guns. >> i am. >> are you comfortable with that? >> i'm not, no. >> there is one thing to say about conservatives. you can be conservative and lib ter y tar yin. the key here is are you for maximum freedom? >> yeah. >> when he says we love the constitution and this is what he's saying but guns are out of control. no, no, no, let's try to enhance people's personal responsibility. let's teach people they need to be responsible. i really don't think we -- i'm done playing the game of, well, that means if we don't vote for that guy we have to get this guy. we play that with john mccain -- >> so who would you like for 2016, if you could anoint someone today? >> i don't know. i don't trust any of them. i spent more time with ted cruz' father than ted cruz. >> you like ted cruz a lot. >> but can he win? or do you care? >> i'm not going to play the game of -- i'm not going to sell my principles out anymore. >> right, but your principles, i assume you want your principles and your values and your policies enacted. who does that if we don't get conserve tichs elected? >> conservatives won't get elected because republicans don't stand for anything. they don't stand for anything. what do they stand for? we're absolutely against big government health care. they defended because millions of people are going to lose their health care. >> yeah. >> defund it. no, then if we try to do that, then we'll lose. well, you said you're against it. what you're for is another version of big designed by you. you're not for the free market. you're designed by things by you. george bush. where did george bush get out. the big spending by republicans but when they were in we had 9 trm trillion in debt. >> you sound like a democrat. >> they are spending and spending and spending and they get in and we have 17, soon to be $24 trillion in debt and get republicans in, we got this huge debt, this is i'm moral, this is wrong, we put them in and the next thing we'll hear is we can't really do that because we have to win the presidency. sure we won the house and senate but we have to win the presidency, too. >> but if it's hillary clinton and chris christie and the election is tomorrow, do you tell the viewers at home stay home, don't vote. >> no, i find the viewers to find somebody they agree with, hillary clinton, chris christie, a lib tertarian or bob the dog. stop listening to the media. stop listening to me, you, or anybody else that says don't, you've got to vote this way. no. vote for what you believe in. >> don't stop listening to us yet. glenn, next, i want your views on income, equality, and santa [ male announcer ] this is george.