i think there's a real feeling on this island that we need to materially and sensibly manage and plan a conversation whatever the outcome of this you know find a sort of agreed way forward recent surveys suggest most people in northern ireland prefer to stay part of britain for now but those who want to united ireland say they are in no hurry expecting chaotic to help. and joining me now is due to get correspondent hans van welcomes joslin leg is already ruled out any renegotiation of the big 6 primes to bars johnson insists the backstop moscow is there any point in the meeting this evening well there's always a point in beating there's always a point and talking and getting to know the position of the other person and getting to know that other person a little bit more intimately in more detail so yes there is certainly point in talking and in fact that hasn't closed the doors to any negotiation whatsoever she