boards. if it was proper before, what has changed now? of course his son did something wrong. joe biden had a conflict of interest at the time. and it is a real problem. of course, the president will hang it around his neck. >> sandra: his son said i made mistakes, too. as far as the candidacy is concerned how did he do on the stage last night? >> he did the same he has done in any debate, not good enough. the issue with joe biden he is like a balloon that flies in the sky slowly leaking air and it will come down. >> bill: you once called it the paper straw campaign. i have a minute left here. nancy pelosi late yesterday afternoon, a lot of debate coverage blocked out this comment. i think it's critical and i'll play it now. >> there is no requirement that we have a vote and so at this time we will not be having a vote. this is not a game for us.